I got in a game
recently against Russell, who used to be one of my more frequent opponents, and
his Skorne. I hadn't tried Retribution against the hordes of elephants in a
while, so I was interested to see how they'd fare now that I had some actual
experience with my faction. Originally I was going to try out Vyros2 (as I
really, really need to get some practice in with him!) but Russell wanted to
see how my latest version of Force Wall fared, so out came Kaelyssa once again.
Since I've been a
bit disappointed with the Manticore heavy build I decided to try something a
bit different this time…
Phoenix Force
Hyperion GO!!!! Tier 4
Kaelyssa
- Hyperion
- Phoenix
- Phoenix (proxied by a Banshee)
- Aspis
House Shyeel
Artificer
House Shyeel Battle
Mages
House Shyeel Battle
Mages
Arcanist x 6
The thought process
was for the force to be faster and better able to clear infantry than the
Manticore heavy build. The Phoenixes can Combust to murder troops, have Reach
to get into combat quicker and have decent guns should an assassination present
itself. Plus they allow me to throw out some rough terrain should my opponent
not have the tools to deal with it.
Against this Russell
dropped what he considered to be his prime Retribution list:
Hexeris2
- Gladiator
- Bronzeback
- Cyclops Brute
Cataphract Cetrati
Cataphract
Incendiarii
Tyrant Commander and
Standard Bearer
Nihilators
Some number of
Paingivers
I won the roll and
chose to go first while Russell chose the side with a nice wall on it. We
rolled up and off we went. Vyros2 and the Manticore chassis were our
objectives. I pre deployed the Hyperion across from
Round 1:
I ran forwards with
the speed of a pointy eared jackrabbit. Russell (after being reminded about
Force Wall's tier 3 ability and a lot of cursing) waddled forwards.
Round 2:
I couldn't smash the
objectives this turn, so instead most of my force spread out to claim the left
zone. Kaelyssa arced a pair of Rifts off of my lead Phoenix while the Hyperion
ran into the right zone, and with some Force Bolts I managed to kill most of
the Nihilators. I'm pretty sure I popped my feat this turn, but I can honestly
not remember.
The Skorne were
nonplussed about my rough terrain but were annoyed that they couldn't charge
me. The Incendiarii set to work setting my mages on fire while the Nihilators
ran to engage. The Cetrati advanced in shield wall while the Bronzeback and
Gladiator postioned themselves to counter charge my Hyperion.
Round 3:
Roughly half of my
Battle Mages died due to fire… that stuff hurts! But my game plan was the same:
kill the Nihilators that were in my zone, smash the objective and dominate for
3. I also debated dragging in some Cetrati
to murder, but figured that I would need all hands on deck to finish my plan.
The few remaining
mages from my left squad activated first and managed to kill one of the
Nihilators, but only managed to Tough the second. A juiced up Phoenix smashed
the objective, but I had to devote part of my second Mage squad, the second
Phoenix and Kaelyssa to finish clearing out the zone. My Hyperion backed up to
the edge of the right zone, as I didn't want to get charged by one, let alone
two, enraged elephants. I ended my turn and scored 3 points.
Now that all of my
shenanigans had expired Russell moved to stop me from ever taking that zone
back. More Incediarii fire set most of my remaining Mages ablaze while the
Cetrati attacked one of my Phoenixes and dealt a fair bit of damage but failed
to kill it. The Gladiator smashed his objective while the Bronzeback
repositioned to counter any moves that my Hyperion made.
Round 4:
Most of my Mages
died to fire… except 1. This was key, as
there was a single Cetrati between my lowly Aspis and his Bronzeback. The plan:
clear the right zone and dominate for the win. I allocated 2 focus to the
undamaged Phoenix as a back up plan.
First part was to
eliminate the lone Cetrati. My Battle Mage put on his big boy pants and dragged
him 3" out of the way and also knocked him down. Next my Aspis got three
focus and charged into the Bronzeback. Four attacks, a Hyper Aggressive and a counter
charge later I still managed to punch the stupid elephant out of the zone. That
left the Hyperion to get allocated 3 focus, wander over to the Gladiator and
two handed throw it far and away from the zone. Kaelyssa ran over and dominated
for the final 2 points, securing me a scenario victory.
Victory for the
Retribution!
After the game
Russell wanted to rerack with his take on Fist of Halaak, for which I donated a
few o fmy medium based models. The list was as follows:
Xerxis
- Tiberion
- Gladiator
Tyrant Commander and
Standard Bearer
Cataphract Cetrati
Min Cataphract
Arcuarii x 2
Min Cataphract
Incendiarii x 2
There are tons of
proxies in this list as Russell is still painting/assembling his army, so any
Griffons and light warbeasts are all some variation of Cataphract :P
Russell won the roll
to go first and I took the side with the wall.
Round 1:
Running! Well, at
least for me. Stupid Skorne had to walk :P
Round 2:
His forces advanced
and he managed to get three Defender's Warded Cetrati into the right zone while
a unit of Arcuarii and Tiberion headed for the left zone, but none made it in.
Xerxis put up Inhospitable Ground.
Seeing this I was
faced with a conundrum- should I attempt
to clear the right zone and leave the left for a later turn power grab like
before, or should I take the effectively free points that the left zone was
giving me? Or should I try for an assassination, as I knew that Xerxis was on
just 1 transfer and since he was perched on the edge of a hill was in LOS of
both of my Phoenixes? The assassination plan got ruled out after some internal
debate, and I measured my control radius and found that I wouldn't be able to
run into the left zone, so I decided to plan on taking the right and allocated
3 to one of my Phoenixes.
The plan was to drag
in the three Cetrati and murder them with Kaelyssa's gun, the full attention of
one Phoenix and opportunity strikes from the second after it ended the
objective. However I had discounted how frustrating Defender's Ward was and only managed to drag two of the Cetrati. I
killed them easily with a Phoenix with focus to spare, but decided that the
plan was going pear shaped and chose to not spend the focus. Kaelyssa arced a
Rift through one of the Phoenixes and walked over towards the left zone (and
popped her feat) while the Hyperion destroyed the objective there at range and
scored 2 points.
Round 3:
Two very important
things happened this turn for Skorne. First, Tiberion toed into the left zone.
Second, a metric ton of Cataphracts entered the right zone, sealing it off from
me pretty much for good. They scratched up one of my Phoenixes and set my Mages
on fire as well, but from here on out it was going to go down hill for me.
On my turn I started
planning out how to take the left zone. The Hyperion attempted to gun down the
four Arcuarii but missed with the Starburst gun, leaving one left alive and
requiring help from one of my Phoenixes
to clear it out. And since I needed to aim with the Hyperion to clear them out
I wasn't able to move it forward to start getting the drop on Tiberion, even
though I blocked its charge range with my Aspis. I also carved up a few
Cetrati.
Round 4:
Xerxis feated, and
even with an epically bad feat turn managed to clear the right zone as I had
foolishly left my second Phoenix just outside of it. Tiberion smashed my Aspis
to smithereens.
Seeing as I had no
way to get close on Tiberion I tried to go for an ill conceived assassination
and failed. On the following turn Xerxis cleared the zone and dominated for the
final points.
A defeat for the brave heroes of the Retribution.
Thoughts:
Force Wall has the tools to handle this match up, but I think it will involve switching up my list a bit. For the next version I'll be dropping an Artificer and a group of Mages for three Magisters which will allow my Phoenixes to better get the drop on enemy troops, as well as provide a more reliable form of drag should I need it.
Fist of Halaak has... a lot of boxes. I definitely think that going for the assassination on turn 2 would have been the correct course of action, especially since I still could have snatched two control points to keep him on the defensive. Even if I failed to kill Xerxis it would have wounded him and opened up the opportunity to get him on subsequent turns, especially since with Phantom Hunter it's very, very difficult for him to hide.
Anyway, thanks for reading, and until next time shank a round ear for me!
A defeat for the brave heroes of the Retribution.
Thoughts:
Force Wall has the tools to handle this match up, but I think it will involve switching up my list a bit. For the next version I'll be dropping an Artificer and a group of Mages for three Magisters which will allow my Phoenixes to better get the drop on enemy troops, as well as provide a more reliable form of drag should I need it.
Fist of Halaak has... a lot of boxes. I definitely think that going for the assassination on turn 2 would have been the correct course of action, especially since I still could have snatched two control points to keep him on the defensive. Even if I failed to kill Xerxis it would have wounded him and opened up the opportunity to get him on subsequent turns, especially since with Phantom Hunter it's very, very difficult for him to hide.
Anyway, thanks for reading, and until next time shank a round ear for me!
Woo! Nice games.
ReplyDeleteI'm really looking forward to try out my full stable of Skorne Warlocks again (soon, soooooon...), and get back into playing Ret more regularly.
I'm just starting to put together a Fist of Halaak list myself. It seems absolutely brutal. Great shooting and really hard hitting infantry. From what I hear, Xerxis is definitely the weak link of the list. Def 13 with no Paralytic Aura hurts his survivability if you can't keep enemy guns occupied (or on fire) with the rest of your list.
Yeah, it's a bit of a b to deal with. I think for Retribution we have three options:
ReplyDelete- drop Ossyan and hope that we have enough feat turn firepower to cut the infantry down to size. This requires that Ossyan has access to upkeep removal, though, which my current list does not have, as otherwise the Stormfalls are never going to hit.
- drop Rahn and just laugh at all of the silly shield walling Cetrati
- kill Xerxis
Of these killing Xerxis sounds like the easiest option for me, though Ossyan can be in reserve. Heck, with his two slam shots he might even be able to just clear LoS to Xerxis and then end him with boosted Brutals firing against a Def 11 caster.
This of course goes back to the question of what match ups I want to drop Force Wall against... but I'll deal more with that in a later post.